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Worgen, Goblins, Guild leveling and talent trees, Character paths, 7 new zones, Ragnaros as a raid boss, elemental plains, underwater zone, redoing every old world zone, heroic deadmines, etc.
GO!
Anatheras
08-21-2009, 02:53 PM
Alt+F4
Come on don't be so negative. A lot of the new stuff looks pretty cool. I want to see what that Skywall raid is like.
Clementine
08-21-2009, 02:55 PM
I told you. Mid-air jousting.
I need to level my Horde Priest to 80 so I can faction change her to a Gnome.
Flarg
08-21-2009, 02:56 PM
Was there any kind of release date announced? I'm not so sure how I will like more recycled content, but some of the things sound like they are well thought out.
Worgen Druids are the best part
I didn't hear anything about a release date.
Also, all of the "recycled" content is not really recycled. Like Naxx was straight up the same zone, same bosses, etc. The recycled content they're talking about here is more revamped and changed. Like Ragnaros is in a new raid zone in the elemental plain of fire and the lore behind actually killing him (instead of banishing him) is brand new also. The old world zones are redone, but they were completely redesigned for leveling. All the level 80+ stuff is brand new.
It doesn't sound anything like lolnaxx or lolMC85. Because it's not.
I think it's kind of cool that all of the old world zones are pretty much gone and changed. It's like you were doing all this shit in Outland and Northrend and now you come back and shit's different. Besides, the way they revamped leveling looks awesome.
Clementine
08-21-2009, 03:06 PM
Was there any kind of release date announced? I'm not so sure how I will like more recycled content, but some of the things sound like they are well thought out.
Worgen Druids are the best part
They said there will be a lot more end game raid content, so I am hoping that the reused content bought them time to actually focus on the raid development...
Anatheras
08-21-2009, 03:09 PM
It wasn't so bad til the old races playing new classes. As soon as I saw things like a troll going into tree form and that worgen in druid t8, I lost interest. I could try out the revamped old zones and whatnot, but I just don't know. Also "guild leveling," and "the path of the titans" make me wonder why I'm not just playing EQ instead because apparently it's all the same game now.
Deathwing, changing landscape, elemental stuff... cool. I'm not uninstalling or deleting my toons, but I'm definitely not looking to take this Cataclysm shit seriously. If nothing else, "guild leveling" just makes me remember how hard the last 8 months have been to keep a guild going at least on a smaller, more casual server. If I do somehow end up playing this game at the time this xpack comes out, it will not be on Steamwheedle Cartel.
Wheeler
08-21-2009, 03:11 PM
3rd times a charm.
Watch and see - This one will be good. Deathwing looks incredible.
It wasn't so bad til the old races playing new classes. As soon as I saw things like a troll going into tree form and that worgen in druid t8, I lost interest. I could try out the revamped old zones and whatnot, but I just don't know. Also "guild leveling," and "the path of the titans" make me wonder why I'm not just playing EQ instead because apparently it's all the same game now.
Deathwing, changing landscape, elemental stuff... cool. I'm not uninstalling or deleting my toons, but I'm definitely not looking to take this Cataclysm shit seriously. If nothing else, "guild leveling" just makes me remember how hard the last 8 months have been to keep a guild going at least on a smaller, more casual server. If I do somehow end up playing this game at the time this xpack comes out, it will not be on Steamwheedle Cartel.
I'll agree with you about the guild leveling part. What they said in the preview panel made it sound like guilds with just more people will have an advantage, or at least that you will want to keep recruiting. And that's all guilds that will want to do that. But I guess it depends on how hard each level is to obtain.
Starting a new guild seems like it's going to be a lot harder. I think that part is going to depend a lot on how powerful the talent tree is. If it's just shit like reduced repair cost and a mass resurrection spell, then it won't really matter. But I think Blizzard is very aware of the ramifications of guild leveling. We'll see when that panel comes.
Oh, and I will say that certain race/class combos feel stupid. Dwarf shaman, okay that's fine since they exist. Gnome priest is fine also. Blood elf warrior? Yeah fine, there's no actual lore with a warrior anyway. But Tauren paladin? Night elf mage? Troll/Worgen druid? Yeah, worgens can shapeshift I guess, but the lore of druids makes no sense with either Trolls or Worgens. It's not a gamebreaking disappointment for me, but yeah, it wasn't something I particularly liked. But in the end it's not a big thing anyway. It just felt a bit out of place.
I just hate how they totally ruined the lore behind gnomes...but w/e, Id probably play a gnome SP...
Dilldar
08-21-2009, 03:57 PM
2010 is the release date on this.
http://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/statuses/3456487096
I think the new class paths and other stuff like guild leveling and that shit looks fucking sweet.
Wylan
08-21-2009, 04:12 PM
I will have to look up a 19th century archaic synonym for "irately disappointed" to adquately express my feelings.
Why are people so disappointed? It looks awesome if you ask me. When WotLK was first detailed and Naxx was announced as the intro raid, that just looked stupid and was disappointing. I didn't have the same feeling at all about the Cataclysm preview.
Wylan
08-21-2009, 04:21 PM
Because anything less then WoW: Cataclysm, Fall of the Casual was going to be a massive let down for me.
Like...I'll write a more detailed post later, but yeah...it's just new ways to encourage casual play.
Anatheras
08-21-2009, 04:22 PM
I will have to look up a 19th century archaic synonym for "irately disappointed" to adquately express my feelings.
I'm right there with you. If you haven't logged into the game yet tonight, I think you'll find that your irate disappointment will only get worse once you see guild and general and trade chat just going nuts over it. And it's not going away any time soon between now and the release.
Wylan
08-21-2009, 04:27 PM
Just watched the trailer...
Disappointment is adequate I guess.
HEROIC
FUCKING
DEADMINES
D'AH! NOW YOU'RE MAKING ME ANGRY!
Like, from a "Interesting game" stand point, it looks awesome. From a "I Like the way things were before and hate the way they are now and continue in the same path" standpoint, WoW:C is a huge turd on top of a mountain of shit.
Each point that the developers throw out is a double edged sword....
Yes, new class/race combos are cool but now you have to balance PvP even more due to the inevitable influx of "ZOMG X CLASS/RACE COMBO IS FUCKING STUPID OP" posts that will inevitably affect how the game plays overall.
Yes, a new secondary profession sounds neat but do you really want to grind up ANOTHER secondary profession that will probably be a big impact on min/maxing on each toon you play?
Yes, Deathwing looks badass in the concept art, but so did Arthas...and we all saw how that played out...(lolinsanelydisproportionate(sp?)ftw)
Like, I just see them using this expac as an excuse as to why IC will suck so much balls...we will see...
Machida
08-21-2009, 05:16 PM
Word. I'm stoked.
I know we've been bitching and complaining about recycled content, and Blizzards apparent lack of effort into WoW as of late...but I think they'll deliver with this expansion. It seems well thought out and I expect good things to come.
And yeah...Deathwing looks brutal. A worthy catalyst.
EDIT: Changes.... http://www.mustangworld.com/forums/images/smilies/disturbed2.gif
Wylan
08-21-2009, 05:35 PM
I'm right there with you. If you haven't logged into the game yet tonight, I think you'll find that your irate disappointment will only get worse once you see guild and general and trade chat just going nuts over it. And it's not going away any time soon between now and the release.
Jesus...you weren't kidding. Fucking casual bads I've never heard of are just going off about this like it's the second coming of Christ. Can one more middle aged retard badge gathering bad incorrectly think they're the first one or not try and be the first person to say "holy cow, lulz paladin tauren...get it? GET IT?".
I get it. You're a fucking downie who 4 years ago would've licked my balls post anal sex just to get a healthstone made by me.
Grats on your continued success in what was once a great video game.
Wylan
08-21-2009, 05:36 PM
Time to reflect on the changes thus far while I joust so that I can have access to gear. I need to do daily quests so that I can unlock gear.
I remember not that long ago when it was the other way around.
Anatheras
08-21-2009, 05:38 PM
Indeed. I am killing Herald whatever in AK in about 20 seconds so I can get a bunch of badges I won't use and 2 badges toward the 10000 i need for gear that is barely an upgrade over my ulduar 10 hard mode loot.
Interesting changes to Warlock shards...no longer in bags, integrated into UI like DK runes...no longer used to summon pets...they actually regen themselves..
And Hunters use focus instead of mana now.....looks like it might be a whole new game they are coming up with here...lolnvm...
WHAT THE FUCK IS DIS?
Spirit
- is mana regen
- All healers will get a Meditation-like skill
- No more Spirit on mage and warlock gear... really
Spell Power is GONE
5:13 Intellect now provides mana AND spell power
5:13 Attack Power is gone
5:14 Agility now provides 2 AP for rogues, hunters, shaman and druids
5:14 Whoa... Defense is gone
New Legendary
Shadowmourne - legendary 2h axe
5:17 Coming from Icecrown
5:18 Apparently no one is ever going to get Frostmourne so they're giving an axe instead
(Jacks gotta be ragin right now)
New feature not in the announcement: Reforging
"Customize your gear"
5:21 Given to Blacksmiths, Leatherworkers, Tailors, Jewelcrafters and Engineers
5:21 You can reduce one stat on an item to increase another
5:22 You can't put the stat points into a stat already on the item
5:22 Profession skillups; multi-gains
Caster legendary will be from the first raid in Cataclysm (lololol)
Xoya asked a question. Wow, fuck that cunt. Okay, carry on.
camron
08-21-2009, 06:37 PM
Take away the monthly fee, thats the only way Id ever come back to this game. Honestly, this game peaked at the level 60 Naxx for me, after that, this game has just been a let down. I got suckered into trying the last two expansions which I regret(barely played any of the current, hit 80, raped naxx easily, quit) but after I gave them two expansions to make this game better to only see it get worse, no way in HELL am I paying for another expansion with monthly fees again. I know many will disagree with me on this and thats fine, but I feel Blizz has become a shit company and dont care because they know they can still make a shitload off of some of the retarded shit they do. If it wasn't for Diablo I would completely hate them right about now.
Dilldar
08-21-2009, 06:40 PM
lol xoya did? ROFL!
Fuck them not adding Frostmourne if its true.
The custom stat gear things sounds cool.
But they are taking everything away that kinda makes finding what you need hard.
no spell damage, no ap, no defense, just max stats out.
lol xoya did? ROFL!
Fuck them not adding Frostmourne if its true.
The custom stat gear things sounds cool.
But they are taking everything away that kinda makes finding what you need hard.
no spell damage, no ap, no defense, just max stats out.
Yes, yes, she did. She asked about gathering professions and made some stupid comment about Onyxia deep breathing more.
STACK THAT HASTE FOR FERAL DRUID!!
(and you know haste is going to be the new overpowered stat for rogues, hunters, and ferals, just like arpen was totally broken)
Machida
08-21-2009, 07:04 PM
God damn...changes...the casual is strong with this xpack.
Millenia
08-21-2009, 07:50 PM
Until I hear something....SOMETHING, that makes it sound like there will something hard in the game with some sort of non-trivial reward, I don't think I will play the next expac at all. I don't like playing easy games after I see most of the content, having to get by with the only thing remotely challenging being arena, is a joke, other games can easily replicate it. I do have high hopes for Blizzard's next game, which I suspect is where most, or even all, of their real game creators have run off too.
Fullmaster
08-21-2009, 07:55 PM
Dont like the new race racials. Will need to reroll if they stay the same :\. See everything looks cool, but you have to keep in mind what a peice of shit this game has become in pvp and pve, and that they arnt changing anything about what makes it shit right now.
Dont like the new race racials. Will need to reroll if they stay the same :\. See everything looks cool, but you have to keep in mind what a peice of shit this game has become in pvp and pve, and that they arnt changing anything about what makes it shit right now.
They say that all existing races racials will be updated to match the new ones...we'll see though.
Repression
08-21-2009, 08:32 PM
I'm late on this shit since I was out an about today but...like said above, Worgen racials look absolutely overpowered and will require me to reroll if I do play the xpac.
What's fucking worse is it will require me to reroll my warlock AND my druid. What bullshit.
I'm late on this shit since I was out an about today but...like said above, Worgen racials look absolutely overpowered and will require me to reroll if I do play the xpac.
What's fucking worse is it will require me to reroll my warlock AND my druid. What bullshit.
You mean goblin?
Wheeler
08-21-2009, 09:04 PM
I'm going back to my rogue. After all this spirit adjusting for Mages, they're just flat out taking it away, now reworking Molten Armor again? Yep, fuck that.
Rogue it is.
Ok, what the fuck?
Retard hunters have to compete with retard Death Knights for retard legendary? I really don't understand that since DK's will use it as their primary weapon while it is just a stat stick for us.
Oh, and focus, as in ranged rogues? Is this supposed to be the ZOMG hunter fix? What the fuck are they going to do with gear with int on it?
Aion is looking pretty good to me right now. Then again, I'm drunk.
Wylan
08-21-2009, 10:03 PM
Ok, what the fuck?
Retard hunters have to compete with retard Death Knights for retard legendary? I really don't understand that since DK's will use it as their primary weapon while it is just a stat stick for us.
Oh, and focus, as in ranged rogues? Is this supposed to be the ZOMG hunter fix? What the fuck are they going to do with gear with int on it?
Aion is looking pretty good to me right now. Then again, I'm drunk.
Ulduar 10 you fucking slacker.
Not that it matters much. The elyos guards would kill you on sight if you asked where the badge quartermaster was.
They redid all the stats too Lumy. Mail physical dps gear will no longer have intellect on it.
Repression
08-21-2009, 10:32 PM
So the Monk looks fucking amazing, agreed???
This is not the Diablo III thread.
Anatheras
08-21-2009, 10:59 PM
I wonder what kind of food they have in Diablo 3.
Ulduar 10 you fucking slacker.
Not that it matters much. The elyos guards would kill you on sight if you asked where the badge quartermaster was.
Randy Rogers Band concert tonight when the local Fair & Rodeo started.
They redid all the stats too Lumy. Mail physical dps gear will no longer have intellect on it.
Yeah, I just noticed that everything was changing. Oh joy, now instead of worrying about MM mana issues, I can watch NOT ENOUGH FOCUS FOR THAT ABILITY spamming across my screen.
Repression
08-22-2009, 01:49 AM
Like, I'm going to need you guys to be paying close attention to the Diablo 3 sections, because that is clearly the only worthwhile section of Blizzcon. I will grill you each for details upon your return.
Archnus
08-22-2009, 10:21 AM
The deletion of Wow from my computer to get that 30gigs of space back proves once again to be a fantastic decision. Aion just keeps getting better and better.
Media
08-22-2009, 12:01 PM
Great oogly mooglies! I can't wait to begin my adventures anew in sundered Azeroth! Hey Wylan, if (the rumored) new Ragnaros drops tier pants again, want to share pantlegs with me on the only Warlock pair the game will ever see, AGAIN?!?!!1
Esoth
08-22-2009, 01:51 PM
Trying to catch up here - been reading the BB thread more than anything. For the most part, all of the changes sound really exciting.
Itemization badly needed an overhaul as it was one of the common complaints I've heard from people who actually have a clue what they're talking about. Hard (and sometimes soft) caps are not difficult to figure out and gear around. It is one of the easiest things to theorycraft - I need x of stat y before it is mostly or completely devalued. I love theorycrafting but these things are easily solved by all but the most clueless players and thus become obnoxious to everyone else. I do very much enjoy the strategy and puzzle solving - and I think hard caps were actually a counter to this. Reforging is much more elegant. You also had the case where high end guilds were full of people who knew how to gear; they had the puzzles solved well before hand. So now it's just a matter of RNG loot drops and a ton of worthless gear gets thrown in to the drop tables that no one really wants. You need a way to still provide the strategy/puzzle solving side of gearing without making loot a pain in the ass RNG fest for those that know how to solve it. I know I've heard others, like Kyth and Hamlet complaining about these things as well. I had some other ideas for how to handle it, but Reforging sounds pretty elegant so far. I welcome it.
Hunter focus sounds fantastic. "Have I said "WOOT FUCK MANA" yet? Because, well, WOOT FUCK MANA!" I haven't met many hunters that thought JoW and AotV were fun and interesting aspects of the gameplay. They just felt clunky.
Also, all of the "recycled" content is not really recycled. Like Naxx was straight up the same zone, same bosses, etc. The recycled content they're talking about here is more revamped and changed. Like Ragnaros is in a new raid zone in the elemental plain of fire and the lore behind actually killing him (instead of banishing him) is brand new also. The old world zones are redone, but they were completely redesigned for leveling. All the level 80+ stuff is brand new.
This I agree with 100%. They have been just appending new continents and leaving Azeroth as mostly a vestigial organ. The changes here don't strike me as recycling content at all - more like progressing it. I get the idea that Azeroth will feel much more alive and dynamic. A completely restructured and repurposed Desolace for 80-85 stands to be just as unique and interesting as, say, a completely new zone like Grizzly Hills if they do it right. Ragnaros is also interesting - it's progressing a story, not rehashing some old boss. All of this, and the drastic itemization overhaul give it a feel of WoW 2.0. I think it's great.
Oh and don't mind Anatheras; he's just a whiny guy who hates WoW ;)
I'll agree with you about the guild leveling part. What they said in the preview panel made it sound like guilds with just more people will have an advantage, or at least that you will want to keep recruiting. And that's all guilds that will want to do that. But I guess it depends on how hard each level is to obtain.
Starting a new guild seems like it's going to be a lot harder. I think that part is going to depend a lot on how powerful the talent tree is. If it's just shit like reduced repair cost and a mass resurrection spell, then it won't really matter. But I think Blizzard is very aware of the ramifications of guild leveling. We'll see when that panel comes.
It seems too soon to tell, but it does sound like it's going to add extra incentive for guilds to tough out the hard times, not server transfer, etc. I'm not sure if this would be good or bad - I could see it prolonging guilds that should have died long ago (lol Contrast) at the same time it encourages guilds in hard times to not immediately disband. Also, inc <Serious Casual> first guild to max level.
Oh, and I will say that certain race/class combos feel stupid. Dwarf shaman, okay that's fine since they exist. Gnome priest is fine also. Blood elf warrior? Yeah fine, there's no actual lore with a warrior anyway. But Tauren paladin? Night elf mage? Troll/Worgen druid? Yeah, worgens can shapeshift I guess, but the lore of druids makes no sense with either Trolls or Worgens. It's not a gamebreaking disappointment for me, but yeah, it wasn't something I particularly liked. But in the end it's not a big thing anyway. It just felt a bit out of place.
Some of those classes are going to change so much with the itemization changes that if they are going to add new races to play them, now feels like the time to do it. A Tauren wearing pink T5 paladin gear would look ridiculous. But again, some of the itemization changes are going to change the feel of some classes enough (I'm guessing - hunters for sure) that it seems like a good time to reestablish the feel of what class/race combos should be.
Esoth
08-22-2009, 02:03 PM
Oh, and focus, as in ranged rogues? Is this supposed to be the ZOMG hunter fix? What the fuck are they going to do with gear with int on it?
They said mail gear won't have int on it. I mean, it should be obvious that a massive overhaul in itemization approach is going to mean a change to existing gear ;)
Did Xoya use to be in Alpha or something? I only know "of" her from seeing her post on EJ in Reset then Serious Casual. NO RET PALADIN QUESTIONS
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3699/xoya.jpg
Well the fat fuck lead encounter dude just stated that they will never push a hardmode to Yogg 0 difficulty, and hinted at even firefighter.
I don't like that man.
Cory is pretty cool though.
Wheeler
08-22-2009, 03:04 PM
Well the fat fuck lead encounter dude just stated that they will never push a hardmode to Yogg 0 difficulty, and hinted at even firefighter.
I don't like that man.
Cory is pretty cool though.
http://assets.knowyourmeme.com/i/1152/small/Feels_bad_man_alternative.jpg
Anatheras
08-22-2009, 03:12 PM
I just saw this on the lock forums, and the only way I'm playing a lock in that expansion is if it's exactly like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89nPVr85OC8
Yeah Esoth, I was drunk last night and missed out on valuable informations.
Esoth
08-22-2009, 03:52 PM
Yeah Esoth, I was drunk last night and missed out on valuable informations.
:) I was drunk last night and nerding (it's a verb now) over video game news.
Re: Yogg0 - They say the same thing about M'uru after TBC. Then there were even less guilds to kill Yogg0 before the nerf (to be fair the nerf came pretty early). I think what, 7 in the world? 2 US? Many/most/all of them saying it was more difficult than M'uru. I'm pretty sure it was never intended to be that hard (was probably more likely intended to be completely impossible), but you get encounters of that magnitude slipping in anyway. Ulduar is kind of an oddball because it seems it was delayed a lot longer than they wanted and some hard modes were superficially too hard or too easy because of lack of testing time. Instead of pushing back Coliseum and then Icecrown then just kept the same schedule making Ulduar way shorter than intended - that's just speculation on my part though.
Fullmaster
08-22-2009, 05:49 PM
Cross server LFG? The hell?
I guess all the changes to talents would be cool if I hadnt seen it done already in many other places. The titan path sounds neat, but all it will boil down to is "Kill 10 mobs and you get capped for the week, lawl get fucked" and wont make you any better then anyone else playing. :\
Esoth
08-22-2009, 06:01 PM
Juggernaut asks about Yogg0 testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKf1N2b7Tc#t=02m42s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MHJ6HG71dA
They should just hire Jack to RL their QA team.
Wylan
08-22-2009, 06:06 PM
So...their QA team is essentially casual bads. This explains so much.
Anatheras
08-22-2009, 06:27 PM
Yes, it does. It hurts my heart. I wonder if the Aion testing team are a bunch of badge farming types.
Anatheras
08-22-2009, 07:03 PM
Also, I just was on my 70 paladin on Ysera and holy hell the trade channel is ridiculous. I thought mine was bad about running their mouths about this casual christmas but whoa. I feel bad for you guys seeing this on a regular basis lol
Esoth
08-22-2009, 08:04 PM
/leave 2
Wylan
08-22-2009, 08:04 PM
Also, I just was on my 70 paladin on Ysera and holy hell the trade channel is ridiculous. I thought mine was bad about running their mouths about this casual christmas but whoa. I feel bad for you guys seeing this on a regular basis lol
Yeah...I left trade and general. Listening to idiots describe their take on the warlock changes made me want piss in my toilet, stick my head in it, then flush myself down.
GAIZ WARLOCKS ARE GUNNA B AWESUM!
Fucking bads.
AHAHAHAHAH HUGE SPECTRUM OF SKILL HAHAHAHA
No you fat fuck, theres three skill sets...(and this is my own personal opinion ofc)
1. We raid all the time and kill shit asap (Premo, Ensidia)
2. We raid at set raid times, maybe going over a bit for progression (Alpha and every other "Top level" guild.
3. The bads
Ok ok...maybe im being too brash here...lets give them the benefit of the doubt...ooo you have a huge spectrum so you cater to the more retarded end, the bell curve of design if you will. But in real life where everyone else is when you curve something like difficulty when your largest player base is a bunch of badge-fucking, whiny little cunt garglers, you just fuck those people who already found it to be a challenge but not overly challenging in the ass.
And dont even get me started on his "lolnoour25manteamsucksass"....How the hell could you have a game where your QA team couldnt do your hardest gaming? Thats like if I went out, made a company that made cellphones, but no one in my company knew how to use them, but we sold them anyways because the "elite few" knew how to use them...Like, literally get fucked.....
Anatheras
08-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Yeah, but inspecting the 10000 horrible people with dramatic guild names on the north bank steps was okay. Trade channel and an attempt at level 70 AV ruined it. I'm gonna go punish myself by watching Little Nicky.
Oh good, they are bringing back Nef too...please just bring back C'thun and round out this reunion of the "awesome fights that you succeeded on once but can only inevitably fail on again ala Naxx.." encounters.
Anatheras
08-22-2009, 08:24 PM
I dunno if I'd be too surprised to see AQ back, but only because of the whole Cho'gall thing Esoth was telling me about.
I really hope its not a Naxxramas 2.0 type version. I'm gonna have a stroke if I spend the first 6 months of Cataclysm farming AQ.
Wylan
08-22-2009, 08:37 PM
I really hope its not a Naxxramas 2.0 type version. I'm gonna have a stroke if I spend the first 6 months of Cataclysm farming AQ.
What?
Farming isn't fun. Thinking isn't fun. Effort isn't fun. Consequences aren't fun. Hard work isn't fun.
Fun is sticking your hand out and getting gear. That is the only thing that is fun.
Anything else has or is being planned to be phased out in some expansion or another. By WoW 5 or whatever expansion is last, you will be able to be anything, that starts 3 levels under the cap in all low end epic gear with 300 of whatever the shit badges are (more if need be) and your personal robot (yes, everyone will have a personal robot or some stupid thing that doubles as both a pet and a mount since that's what retards crave more then anything else) and your personal robot will be a bank (and by bank I mean it gives you access to your bank and also spits out however much gold you want/need/can request) your mail box, and your AH and the neutral AH. It will have a 30 second cool down which will be argued as too long in case someone makes a mistake. It will also teleport you anywhere on the planet that you can click. There will be a quintiple (sp) spec because druids need to do all 4 things and 1 just incase they want to pvp (again...argued because what if their friend can't be there and they have to heal this week!?!?, need 8 spec choices).
And so on...and so on.
It's not there yet, but mark my words. They are far from done giving shit away.
As long as someone thinks it'll keep a customer, they'll give whatever is asked.
Wheeler
08-22-2009, 08:58 PM
Pretty much what Wylan said.
The only thing they stick to their guns on now is how they can limit the success of the top 1% of PvE guilds. In the good ole' days, if someone wasn't satisfied with Shadowcraft, and they didn't have the time to raid, Blizzard gave them a big fuck you.
Wylan
08-22-2009, 09:07 PM
Did anyone happen to catch where the path to the door was by the way? As I assume that is the path of the titan that most will be taking.
I missed the panel on that.
Fullmaster
08-22-2009, 09:07 PM
I wish I didnt love this game as much as I do. Then I wouldnt hate it so much everytime they make it worse. Tbh, its been the only decent MMO for awhile and thats the main reason I havnt been able to stop playing it. I dislike even logging on lately, to the point it impacts how I do things while online. God. If they could just rollback everything to many many patches ago it would be great.
Wylan
08-22-2009, 09:13 PM
I wish I didnt love this game as much as I do. Then I wouldnt hate it so much everytime they make it worse. Tbh, its been the only decent MMO for awhile and thats the main reason I havnt been able to stop playing it. I dislike even logging on lately, to the point it impacts how I do things while online. God. If they could just rollback everything to many many patches ago it would be great.
This is pretty much exactly how I feel. To the tee.
Anatheras
08-22-2009, 09:30 PM
Same. I'm trying to find my happy place again, cause I really don't wanna leave people behind.
Wendell
08-22-2009, 10:14 PM
I still stand by my idea of a new raid instance for WoW. You have a new raid instance, challenging to the level of original Naxx, with lots of interesting lore, lots of bosses and great design and outside the dungeon you have a button. On a raid lockout you could either press the button (3 hour cast time) OR enter the dungeon (if you press the button, you can't enter the dungeon that week). The button would give you a random epic from the dungeon after the 3 hour cast. 99% of the players would rather just press the button and stare at the wall for 3 hours than play the game.
And they would whine for the button cast time to be nerfed.
I wish I didnt love this game as much as I do. Then I wouldnt hate it so much everytime they make it worse. Tbh, its been the only decent MMO for awhile and thats the main reason I havnt been able to stop playing it. I dislike even logging on lately, to the point it impacts how I do things while online. God. If they could just rollback everything to many many patches ago it would be great.
Exactly how i feel. There is apart of me that wishes they would fall back to the way they use to do things, but at this point i have just accepted that WoW is what it is. The likely hood of it ever being in the same state it use to be is just never going to happen. So wishing that WoW would be what it use to be is just useless. World of Warcraft is and will always (in my mind) continue to follow the current path they have been for the past year+. It pleases the masses and that's all the company can hope for, i would do the same thing.
That being said, i of course will continue to play regardless, because even as it is, is still a great MMO compared to anything currently available. Maybe that will change in the next year or so with Aion and ToR on the way.
So...their QA team is essentially casual bads. This explains so much.
Lol I thought the same thing when they said something about their QA team getting spanked by Yogg+4.
I dunno if I'd be too surprised to see AQ back, but only because of the whole Cho'gall thing Esoth was telling me about.
I really hope its not a Naxxramas 2.0 type version. I'm gonna have a stroke if I spend the first 6 months of Cataclysm farming AQ.
Yeah, Cho'gall is still alive and the leader of the Twilight's Hammer or something, and the person who resummoned C'thun into Azeroth I think. So there's still room to introduce him as a raid boss with an Old God or something.
Did Xoya use to be in Alpha or something? I only know "of" her from seeing her post on EJ in Reset then Serious Casual. NO RET PALADIN QUESTIONS
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3699/xoya.jpg
The few of us who have had to deal with Xoya know her from <Reset> (so me, Deaden, Dilldar, and Dernus I think). (Deaden knows her from even earlier than that unfortunately.) Her boyfriend Arkamis who was the GM of <Reset> was also absolutely bat shit crazy and used to be in <Alpha> (and btw, he asked a question at the RnD panel, as did Xoya... again) when Dernus, Dilldar, and I were in <Alpha> like a year and a half ago. There's a rather sordid and detailed history there with them. Along with being a sloppy-titted e-whore, she's one of those people who are like "OMG THIS IS WHAT EJ IS SAYING" and "LOL WELL THE BB SAYS...".
You guys are awfully emo
Yeah, pretty much this. The new expansion looks really awesome if you ask me. If you don't like it, fine. You're allowed not to like it. But, seriously, if you're going to keep "threatening" to leave or saying that you hate the game so much you're just not to going to play anymore or talking about the good old days when it was apparently fun to grind raid mats for 6 hours to raid for 3... then just quit. Bye. Nobody likes a negative Nancy. It's harsh but it's true. If you don't have fun, then stop playing. If you don't stop playing, stop saying you will or at least don't try to bring other people's enjoyment of the game down.
Oh good, they are bringing back Nef too...please just bring back C'thun and round out this reunion of the "awesome fights that you succeeded on once but can only inevitably fail on again ala Naxx.." encounters.
Yeah, this was something that I didn't particularly like or at least something that made me go "huh?". But I think it's unfair to criticize bringing back Nef and Rag simply because you see it as reusing content. They have stated many times that any of the old bosses that are being brought back are completely new encounters. (Onyxia is the exception. That's sort of just a fun thing for the anniversary. It's not progression content; it's just something fun.)
I found it odd that they're bringing back Nef because we kinda already chopped off his head and hung it up in Stormwind. With the Onyxia revamp, there's no new lore. It's simply an encounter update. So the fact that we chopped her head off also is not a big deal. With Nefarian though... there's actual new lore and the new encounter is a different encounter than the BWL one, lorewise. So I'm interested to see how they're going to bring him back in that regard. I'm not a lore junkie, but I think even the person least interested about lore will think that something like resurrecting Nef and fighting his OMG TRUE FORM or something is a bit lame. (Hopefully, the following is not Nef and he's not a ghost...)
http://i28.tinypic.com/35ji97l.jpg
With Ragnaros, on the other hand, I think how they're bringing him back makes sense at least. Lore wise, we haven't killed him and the new Cataclysm lore actually gives us a good reason to go back and kill him once and for all, in his own house so to speak. I don't see it as reusing the content at all. It's just some of the old characters in a different setting now. Nothing they are doing sounds at all like lolnaxx80, which was just horrible. If they treat Nef like they are Rag, then I think it will be very good. I'm just still a bit skeptical about fighting a dragon with a missing head.
As Esoth said, it really does feel a lot like WoW II. Having Azeroth just sort of tag along for TBC and WotLK felt weird. The continents never got updated and never felt the effects of anything that was going on elsewhere in the world. And there were still all of these lore-rich characters present on Azeroth that were sort of forgotten about.
I wish I didnt love this game as much as I do. Then I wouldnt hate it so much everytime they make it worse. Tbh, its been the only decent MMO for awhile and thats the main reason I havnt been able to stop playing it. I dislike even logging on lately, to the point it impacts how I do things while online. God. If they could just rollback everything to many many patches ago it would be great.
For the love of God, this.
And they announced they're bringing back Nef? Did I miss an announcement? I thought they were just bringing Deathwing out of hiding.
And they announced they're bringing back Nef? Did I miss an announcement? I thought they were just bringing Deathwing out of hiding.
One of the early raids is Blackrock Descent. Its entrance is found in Nefarian's old room from BWL (since we can fly in Azeroth now you actually just fly up the mountain to his throne room). The final boss of the instance is Nefarian and "some old friends might return".
It's an entirely new instance. They are not bringing back BWL, but Descent is inspired by BWL. Unlike the new Onyxia, this iteration of Nefarian is a brand new encounter, both in design and in lore. So the fact that we cut off Nef's head is something they will have to address. (Onyxia is still dead in the lore.)
Also, during the Q&A, someone asked about AQ and the response was that there are no plans to bring back AQ in any form. The question had referenced the reintroduction of Ragnaros and Nefarian, so I assume they're not planning on bringing back any characters from AQ either.
Banach
08-23-2009, 09:06 AM
Whatever it is, surely it won't be worse than slapping Kael Thas into magister's terrace
Archnus
08-23-2009, 10:07 AM
The few of us who have had to deal with Xoya know her from <Reset> (so me, Deaden, Dilldar, and Dernus I think). (Deaden knows her from even earlier than that unfortunately.) Her boyfriend Arkamis who was the GM of <Reset> was also absolutely bat shit crazy and used to be in <Alpha> (and btw, he asked a question at the RnD panel, as did Xoya... again) when Dernus, Dilldar, and I were in <Alpha> like a year and a half ago. There's a rather sordid and detailed history there with them. Along with being a sloppy-titted e-whore, she's one of those people who are like "OMG THIS IS WHAT EJ IS SAYING" and "LOL WELL THE BB SAYS...".
If this is the same Xoya I think it is, she was in Promethean as well. Dear god we hated her.
She said she was quitting for RL reasons, I think it was more like we verbally abused the crap out of her and she couldn't take in anymore. I think its the same Xoya because she posted her pic on the forums and this looks very much the same.
Esoth
08-23-2009, 02:06 PM
sloppy-titted e-whore, she's one of those people who are like "OMG THIS IS WHAT EJ IS SAYING" and "LOL WELL THE BB SAYS...".
sloppy-titted e-whore... lmao. Deaden told me the story there and it's pretty funny. As for the latter part of that statement, I can't stand people who treat EJ or the BB as some monolithic entity that speaks with one voice. It's a community of other people just like anything else. I've heard people say dumb things like "EJ is wrong about mages" and they're looking at some frost mage thread where the OP hasn't been updated in a patch (but the ongoing discussion may still be relevant). EJ doesn't need to be treated as any kind of authority figure even if it were a monolithic entity simply because the best content there is the mathematical tools to figure out solutions yourself. The BB is nice sometimes if you're hearing Xav say Premo does x or y, or Kyth is saying Fusion takes this approach. That's at least something to work with. Cargo cults are not welcome.
With Ragnaros, on the other hand, I think how they're bringing him back makes sense at least. Lore wise, we haven't killed him and the new Cataclysm lore actually gives us a good reason to go back and kill him once and for all, in his own house so to speak. I don't see it as reusing the content at all. It's just some of the old characters in a different setting now. Nothing they are doing sounds at all like lolnaxx80, which was just horrible. If they treat Nef like they are Rag, then I think it will be very good. I'm just still a bit skeptical about fighting a dragon with a missing head.
He wasn't at full power in MC, now he is. I would imagine his abilities are quite different. It fits into the lore very well - and imo makes it feel all the more epic with the passage of time (in game) while our characters become more powerful and so does Ragnaros.
As Esoth said, it really does feel a lot like WoW II. Having Azeroth just sort of tag along for TBC and WotLK felt weird. The continents never got updated and never felt the effects of anything that was going on elsewhere in the world. And there were still all of these lore-rich characters present on Azeroth that were sort of forgotten about.
Has me convinced that the unannounced MMO is probably not WoW II as well (since this is).
Yeah, pretty much this. The new expansion looks really awesome if you ask me. If you don't like it, fine. You're allowed not to like it. But, seriously, if you're going to keep "threatening" to leave or saying that you hate the game so much you're just not to going to play anymore or talking about the good old days when it was apparently fun to grind raid mats for 6 hours to raid for 3... then just quit. Bye. Nobody likes a negative Nancy. It's harsh but it's true. If you don't have fun, then stop playing. If you don't stop playing, stop saying you will or at least don't try to bring other people's enjoyment of the game down.
I think I love you.
Well Sylv, if they ACTUALLY do make a new encounter I will eat my words...itll probably be the same encounter with updated class calls.....but then again I am a pessimist...
Anatheras
08-23-2009, 04:52 PM
clearly we will free chromatic drakes from cages and ride on their backs to victory. he will have an enrage and then banish himself and summon orbs and then we will kill little whelps... oh wait.
Taelen
08-23-2009, 06:54 PM
New lore is great, finding a way to bring back old enemies can be fun as well...but the stat/mechanic changes?
Simply reeks of catering to casuals and pretty much saying goodbye to those players who like to be on the cutting edge...theorycrafting...etc..
That's going to make the remainder of my friends that play pack it in for sure.
I'm not exactly sure I know what people mean by "less theorycrafting". There are still plenty of stats to balance and there are a few new features (reforging, path of the titans, mastery). Also... the vast majority of people just use a spreadsheet or some sort of program to figure out their optimal gear, if they even use anything. And this is just theorycrafting to figure out which particular items are best. There will still be plenty of discussion about what stats are desirable and to what extent. And there will still be plenty of talk about optimal cycles and, in general, the best way to play particular classes. So I'm really having a hard time figuring out what the big deal is.
Taelen
08-24-2009, 07:12 PM
Well, as I no longer play it matters little to me, but does eliminating separate mechanics like spell power, mp5 etc...not "simplify" the game?
Fullmaster
08-24-2009, 07:51 PM
I put points into the tree of which color I like my spells being. Woot! Perfect spec! I cast spells? I wonder if I should wear intl or agil? Hmm. Intl! Theorycrafting done. LFG hard Arthas, gear score of 2000 plus pls, takes 15 mins.
Brb gotta do my dailys so can buy t10.
camron
08-24-2009, 08:30 PM
Brb gotta do my dailys so can buy t10.
haha
Cryos
09-05-2009, 06:18 PM
Outlook is bleak.
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